What Is Sandy Telling Us? A Talk with John Perkins

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Is Sandy an isolated, freak weather event, as much mainstream media coverage would have you believe, or is it something more? I spoke earlier today with John Perkins, author of the best-selling memoir, Confessions of an Economic Hitman, as well as a number of books about shamanism, including Shapeshifting: Techniques for Global and Personal Transformation. I was hoping to hear a different perspective from someone deeply familiar with indigenous shamanic wisdom. I was not disappointed.

Ken Jordan: Here in Brooklyn we've just experienced tropical storm Sandy. Hopefully, more people are rethinking our society's skewed priorities because of this awful disaster, in which so many lost their homes, their loved ones. I was interested in your perspective, because of your experience with indigenous shamanic teachers in Central and South America, as well as your broad knowledge of U.S. business and politics. Please share some of your thoughts about Sandy.


John Perkins:
To start, in 1992 when Andrew hit I lived in South Florida, in North Palm Beach. We weren't hit very hard, because it landed just south of Miami. There was a huge sigh of relief where I lived because we were told that this was a once-in-a-100 years storm. We figured, well, we're safe for the next hundred years. But since then there've been a tremendous number of these storms. Scientists now say these same storms are now once-in-a-10 year storms. They may be even more frequent now. It's obvious over the last 20 years how much things have changed. 

The indigenous people have long been telling us that this is happening. I remember, around the time of Andrew, I led a group of people to visit the Andes. It was for a non-profit I founded called Dream Change. We used to go down and work with shamans, study with them and listen to their wisdom. One time, a woman on the trip asked a shaman woman what we can do to save mother Earth. The shaman responded – well, she laughed first – she said, "Mother Earth isn't in danger. We are, as as species, and so are a lot of other species, but not the Earth. To mother Earth, we're just like fleas. If we get to be too much of a nuisance, she'll just shake us all off."


KJ:
You get the feeling that now the shaking is more pronounced.


JP:
Exactly. But even at that time, the shaman pointed at the glacier up on the volcano near where she lived in Ecuador, and said that the glaciers are receding. Mother Earth — Pachamama, she called her — is twitching. She said the good news is that we understand this, and can respond. It's an exciting time to be alive, where we can actually listen to mother Earth and do something about it. Unfortunately, that was 20 years ago, and we haven't done much. I hope that Sandy will a the threshold event. 

It's interesting that Sandy hit New York, the power center. It impacted the whole North East, which controls so much of global economics and politics. In that way, it's different than hurricanes that hit Florida, the Gulf Coast, or New Orleans. I'm not negating the people that live in those place, but when Wall Street gets hit and is shut down, and when you shut down other huge business establishments, when the corportacracy is hit in its soul by an event like this, the event has a power far greater than when other places are hit. 


KJ:
It's almost like mother nature is saying, I've told you this for a while, you had Katrina, now what must I do to get your attention? Target New York and you get people's attention. 


JP:
Exactly. Shortly after Irene hit last year, I was in New Hampshire, where I grew up. The area was just devastated, especially Vermont. I've never seen anything like it. But the big power brokers are not in Vermont. This time they've been hit. The nation's most vital subway system was stopped, it's still not running completely. Millions of people without electricity. This is a potent reminder.


KJ:
A reminder of what, in your words?


JP:
It's a reminder of the power that human beings have — a power that can be used very positively. Our technology, our wisdom, our commercial systems, can be used to get rid of pollution around the world. We can clean up the polluted rivers, lakes, oceans, air, and land. We can see to it that starving people have means to produce food more efficiently and store it and distribute it, and we can come up with better transportation and energy systems, and better banking systems. Or, we can continue to use that power destructively. 

Either way, we human beings are an extremely powerful species. We're in a unique position. We're the only species that has the ability to make huge changes on this planet. So while the shaman may have been right, that we're not going to destroy Pachamama, mother Earth, we can drastically alter her, at least on the surface, and therefore alter all life forms. We're the only species with that ability. We can do it in a good way, or in a bad way. There's a fine line between the two. The economic development we've had over the past couple of hundred years has probably been good, for the most part. There's a lot of exploitation, but we've had some major advances: getting rid of terrible diseases, living better lifestyles. But we've reached a tipping point where it's gone too far. We need to understand to this. 

I'll make an analogy. When it was introduced, the car was hailed as the end of terrible pollution in major U.S. cities. New York, Boston, Chicago were all inundated with horse manure. The fields around these cities were devoted to growing grains for horses. The horse was becoming a terrible nuisance. They were plowing horse manure into the East River in New York, and into the Charles in Boston. In the winters it was particularly bad. So when the automobile came along, it was regarded as a very clean substitute for horses. But now it's gone too far. Of course, the horse was not a problem in Colonial times, as long as towns were small. But all of these things reach tipping points, and it's important that we recognize there are tipping points. We have to see when they're coming and make changes accordingly. 


KJ:
You've written about your experiences bringing people from this part of the world down to South America to work with shamans, connecting them to indigenous traditions, enabling them to experience spirit in a different, deeper way. For an increasing number of people, indigenous wisdom offers hope for a shift in consciousness. Do you see an opening here?


JP:
Because of events like Sandy, people will engage more with these aspects of existence that mainstream society tends to ignore. Absolutely, I think this is an opening. I've been taking people to work with indigenous cultures since 1990, and continue to do so. I'm a co-founder of the Pachamama Alliance, and we do over a dozen trips a year. Mainly so the people will learn from these other cultures. They are teaching us a lot. Two major oil companies, one of them is Conoco Phillips, have just dropped out of Peru. They abandoned huge projects because the indigenous people have insisted that they get out. They finally said, "Yeah, I guess we have to."  

Indigenous cultures have much to teach us about sustainability. Incidentally, all of them have prophesized that this is a time when the opportunity for transformation is here. The prophesy of 2012 is just one of many. It's not a doomsday prophesy, like Hollywood leads us to believe. It's a prophesy that says we have the opportunity to change. If we don't, then it could be doomsday. But the opportunity is here, and we need to wake up to it. I'm taking a group to the Mayan people in Guatemala this December, on the big date of December 21, 2012, which is really just a marker. The Mayans tell us that this change has been happening for twenty years, and it will happen for another twenty or thirty years. 

I'd like to share a story that sheds light on this. I was working with the Shuar people, who live deep in the Amazon. I was a Peace Corps volunteer with them back in 1968, and I still go back often. This story took place about five years ago. I was hiking up to the sacred waterfalls with two young Shuar men, warriors. It's a long, hard hike, and we spent two nights up there doing ceremony by the waterfalls. On the third day we returned. 

As we approached the community where we'd begun the trip, the two Shuar men stopped and looked at this little plant beside the trail. They said to me, "This plant's sick. But when we went up three days ago, it wasn't sick." I looked at the plant and it didn't look sick to me. It had some brown leaves, but it didn't look that bad. We were in the Amazon, we'd walked by millions of plants, how did they pick this one out? But in any case, they called a meeting of the elders that night and explained what they saw. Other people stood up and said they had seen similar sick plants on other trails. The meeting lasted most of the night, and there was a lot of discussion. In the end, the decision was made that nothing could be proven, but there was a good possibility that this was a message coming from nature that the trails were being overused. The decision was made to stop using these trails. It was a huge sacrifice for these people. They don't have chainsaws. Cutting trails through the Amazon rainforest is not easy. But they were afraid that if they didn't stop using these trails, there would be a negative impact on their children and grandchildren. They were not willing to take that risk, even though they couldn't be sure that that's what was happening. I was so struck by this. 

A few days later, I was back in the United States driving home from the airport and listening to the radio. The U.S. Congress was debating climate warming. The crux of the debate was that even if climate warming was happening, can we prove that industries are responsible, should we change our regulations regarding climate change and the environment? The decision was "Absolutely not." Because we couldn't prove it. 

I was struck by how this indigenous culture, illiterate — most of them can't read or write — the supposedly uncivilized, uneducated people made the right decision, to take care of their  kids. And we, so civilized, so educated, made the wrong decision. I think that says so much about what we have to learn from indigenous cultures, that the right decision is always to protect the future. Even if you don't know for sure, if there's a suspicion that you might be causing problems for future generations, you need to change.


KJ:
In your books about shamanism you've written about shapeshifting, which implies that everything is energy, and that energy is continually changing its form. In what way would this crisis call upon us to shapeshift?


JP:
That's a beautiful question. It is all energy. We need to shift our energy. Where do we put our energy? We have to remember that all emotions are energy. Sadness is a form of energy, or rather, it generates a form of energy that helps us. Guilt, anger. What's really important is not that we have these feelings, but how we act according to these feelings. Right now we should all feel a little angry at our leaders for having put us into this position, and at ourselves for allowing that to happen. But rather than beating ourselves up with this anger, or going out and breaking windows, let's direct this energy towards really changing. And have fun in that process. I think there's nothing more gratifying in the world than to do things that are going to create a better world for ourselves and our offspring, for future generations. 

So we need to direct our energy toward that shapeshift, to getting out of what I call a death economy, and death politics. Our politics and our economics are oriented toward war, toward ravaging the Earth, digging up the Earth, raping the Earth. Killing trees, killing plants, killing animals. It's really a death economy. We need to move toward a life economy. A life economy says what's important is creating a better world for future generations, and not just of human beings, but of animals and plants too. We need to move into that kind of economic and political system, one that emphasizes cleaning up pollution, making the planet a healthier place for everyone, getting rid of starvation, doing away with extremely archaic transportation systems, and banking systems, and commercial systems. There's so much room for change here. There's room for tremendous growth. It's just growth in a different direction, with a different goal. 


KJ:
It's possible to see the energy of Sandy as a catalyst, pushing us to re-shape our consciousness. Would you consider that there's an energetic intention behind "super storms" of this kind? 


JP:
I think that's entirely possible. At the risk of being considered a wacko, I would express an indigenous view: the Earth is a living creature, known as Gaia, or Pachamama, as many indigenous people say these days. As the Shuar shaman says, she'll shake if she doesn't like what we're doing, if we're getting to be too much of a nuisance. You could say, if you take that view point, that the Earth, perhaps consciously, is creating these great storms, these floods, droughts and fires, to send us a message. That same indigenous shaman woman said, you know, if we human beings fail, if we vanish from the earth, big deal. Our spirits will still be here. The dinosaurs were a failed experiment. They vanished, but their spirits are still here. That's why we're so fascinated by dinosaurs. They're in us. We all have a reptilian brain at the bottom of our skull. They're here with us. If we humans don't make it, if we really screw it up, as we seem to be doing, big deal. The earth will come up with something new. We'll be a failed experiment. 

But, she said, isn't it exciting to be in a position where we can make sure that we don't fail, where we really listen to the messages? Mother Earth is sending us these messages. Let's listen to them, and let's have a good time with this. Let's take satisfaction in the fact that we're smart enough to hear the warning and then take action to do something about it.

 

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Ketamine vs. Esketamine: 3 Important Differences Explained
Ketamine and esketamine are used to treat depression. But what’s the difference between them? Read to learn which one is right for you: ketamine vs. esketamine.

Guide to Ketamine Treatments: Understanding the New Approach
Ketamine is becoming more popular as more people are seeing its benefits. Is ketamine a fit? Read our guide for all you need to know about ketamine treatments.

Ketamine Treatment for Eating Disorders
Ketamine is becoming a promising treatment for various mental health conditions. Read to learn how individuals can use ketamine treatment for eating disorders.

Ketamine Resources, Studies, and Trusted Information
Curious to learn more about ketamine? This guide includes comprehensive ketamine resources containing books, studies and more.

Ketamine Guide: Effects, Common Uses, Safety
Our ultimate guide to ketamine has everything you need to know about this “dissociative anesthetic” and how it is being studied for depression treatment.

Ketamine for Depression: A Mental Health Breakthrough
While antidepressants work for some, many others find no relief. Read to learn about the therapeutic uses of ketamine for depression.

Ketamine for Addiction: Treatments Offering Hope
New treatments are offering hope to individuals suffering from addiction diseases. Read to learn how ketamine for addiction is providing breakthrough results.

Microdosing Ketamine & Common Dosages Explained
Microdosing, though imperceivable, is showing to have many health benefits–here is everything you want to know about microdosing ketamine.

How to Ease a Ketamine Comedown
Knowing what to expect when you come down from ketamine can help integrate the experience to gain as much value as possible.

How to Store Ketamine: Best Practices
Learn the best ways how to store ketamine, including the proper temperature and conditions to maximize how long ketamine lasts when stored.

How To Buy Ketamine: Is There Legal Ketamine Online?
Learn exactly where it’s legal to buy ketamine, and if it’s possible to purchase legal ketamine on the internet.

How Long Does Ketamine Stay in Your System?
How long does ketamine stay in your system? Are there lasting effects on your body? Read to discover the answers!

How Ketamine is Made: Everything You Need to Know
Ever wonder how to make Ketamine? Read our guide to learn everything you need to know about the procedures of how Ketamine is made.

Colorado on Ketamine: First Responders Waiver Programs
Fallout continues after Elijah McClain. Despite opposing recommendations from some city council, Colorado State Health panel recommends the continued use of ketamine by medics for those demonstrating “excited delirium” or “extreme agitation”.

Types of Ketamine: Learn the Differences & Uses for Each
Learn about the different types of ketamine and what they are used for—and what type might be right for you. Read now to find out!

Kitty Flipping: When Ketamine and Molly Meet
What is it, what does it feel like, and how long does it last? Read to explore the mechanics of kitty flipping.

MDMA & Ecstasy Guide: Effects, Common Uses, Safety
Our ultimate guide to MDMA has everything you want to know about Ecstasy from how it was developed in 1912 to why it’s being studied today.

How To Get the Most out of Taking MDMA as a Couple
Taking MDMA as a couple can lead to exciting experiences. Read here to learn how to get the most of of this love drug in your relationship.

Common MDMA Dosage & Microdosing Explained
Microdosing, though imperceivable, is showing to have many health benefits–here is everything you want to know about microdosing MDMA.

Having Sex on MDMA: What You Need to Know
MDMA is known as the love drug… Read our guide to learn all about sex on MDMA and why it is beginning to makes its way into couple’s therapy.

How MDMA is Made: Common Procedures Explained
Ever wonder how to make MDMA? Read our guide to learn everything you need to know about the procedures of how MDMA is made.

Hippie Flipping: When Shrooms and Molly Meet
What is it, what does it feel like, and how long does it last? Explore the mechanics of hippie flipping and how to safely experiment.

How Cocaine is Made: Common Procedures Explained
Ever wonder how to make cocaine? Read our guide to learn everything you need to know about the procedures of how cocaine is made.

A Christmas Sweater with Santa and Cocaine
This week, Walmart came under fire for a “Let it Snow” Christmas sweater depicting Santa with lines of cocaine. Columbia is not merry about it.

Ultimate Cocaine Guide: Effects, Common Uses, Safety
This guide covers what you need to know about Cocaine, including common effects and uses, legality, safety precautions and top trends today.

NEWS: An FDA-Approved Cocaine Nasal Spray
The FDA approved a cocaine nasal spray called Numbrino, which has raised suspicions that the pharmaceutical company, Lannett Company Inc., paid off the FDA..

The Ultimate Guide to Cannabis Bioavailability
What is bioavailability and how can it affect the overall efficacy of a psychedelic substance? Read to learn more.

Cannabis Research Explains Sociability Behaviors
New research by Dr. Giovanni Marsicano shows social behavioral changes occur as a result of less energy available to the neurons. Read here to learn more.

The Cannabis Shaman
If recreational and medical use of marijuana is becoming accepted, can the spiritual use as well? Experiential journalist Rak Razam interviews Hamilton Souther, founder of the 420 Cannabis Shamanism movement…

Cannabis Guide: Effects, Common Uses, Safety
Our ultimate guide to Cannabis has everything you want to know about this popular substances that has psychedelic properties.

Cannabis and Ayahuasca: Mixing Entheogenic Plants
Cannabis and Ayahuasca: most people believe they shouldn’t be mixed. Read this personal experience peppered with thoughts from a procannabis Peruvian Shaman.

CBD-Rich Cannabis Versus Single-Molecule CBD
A ground-breaking study has documented the superior therapeutic properties of whole plant Cannabis extract as compared to synthetic cannabidiol (CBD), challenging the medical-industrial complex’s notion that “crude” botanical preparations are less effective than single-molecule compounds.

Cannabis Has Always Been a Medicine
Modern science has already confirmed the efficacy of cannabis for most uses described in the ancient medical texts, but prohibitionists still claim that medical cannabis is “just a ruse.”

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