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More than two years after the outburst of conflict and violence in Syria, the government of President Bashar al-Assad is being accused of killing its own citizens and using chemical weapons against the rebels. Although these claims haven’t been substantiated with credible evidence yet, the United States and its allies are ratcheting up their war rhetoric against Syria and lobbying to ensure a UN Security Council resolution that will permit them to launch limited, surgical attacks against Syria’s military and government sites and perhaps lead to the removal of President Assad from power.

The crisis in Syria has embattled the country in a complicated and unusual situation which sounds astoundingly critical and detrimental to the regional and global peace and security. In recent months, Syria has been witness to a confrontation between the government forces, extremist rebels and foreign-backed mercenaries, including U.S.-allied Al-Qaeda fighters.

Several meetings have been held toward finding a viable and decisive solution to the crisis in Syria, but the world powers, the opponents of Syria and even its allies have been unable to put an end to bloodshed and civil war in Syria.

In order to discuss the situation in Syria, the approach taken by the Western powers and Arab states toward Syria, the allegations of the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian government and the prospects of civil war in this country, I interviewed prominent American author and philosopher Charles Eisenstein.

Charles Eisenstein is the author of the 2011 book Sacred Economics: Money, Gift, and Society in the Age of Transition. He is a public speaker whose writings regularly appear on The Guardian’s Comment is Free section and the Counterpunch website. In 2013, journalist and author Rory Spowers described Eisenstein as a “refreshing new voice” with a very spiritual perspective.

What follows is the text of my interview with Charles Eisenstein.

Kourosh Ziabari: Some of the Syrian opposition leaders have rejected the possibility of an agreement with the government despite the Russia-U.S. deal based on which the Syrian government would publicly declare its arsenal of nuclear weapons and bring its chemical weapons under the UN safeguards. According to the deputy prime minister, the civil war in Syria has reached a stalemate. How is it possible to end the violence in Syria and find a negotiated, peaceful solution to the 2-year-long crisis there?

Charles Eisenstein: There are two ways to peace. One is a kind of false peace in which one side overcomes the other and achieves total victory. Real peace comes from a foundation of reconciliation, dialog, and forgiveness. People on both sides have deep grievances and valid psychological reasons to hate the other side. People on both sides have lost loved ones and seen their lives devastated. To have real peace, they will have to give up on revenge, so that the cycle of violence and trauma doesn’t persist into eternity.

A good model for how that might be done can be found in the South African Peace and Reconciliation Committees; also in Rwanda, Liberia, and other places. Negotiated political settlements are a good first step, and quite possible once the United States and other powers stop using Syria as a geopolitical pawn. But we want more than a tense peace with hatred seething underneath.

The recent allegation leveled against the Syrian government by the United States and its European allies is that the government has used chemical weapons against the rebels in the Ghouta district of Damascus on August 21; however, the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has stated that there’s reliable evidence that it's the rebels who possess chemical weapons and may use them against the civilians. What’s your idea on that?

We may never know the truth. Nearly anyone in a position to evaluate the evidence has a political interest in coming up with one conclusion or another. Certainly it would seem that the rebels have more to gain from bringing outside powers into more direct intervention. Moreover, neither side of the conflict is monolithic. It could have been a rogue element inside the government, or an accident. But is the question of blame really the most important question?

It is dangerous to oppose U.S. intervention on the grounds that maybe the Syrian government wasn’t responsible for the poison gas. Such opposition implicitly concedes that if, in fact, the government was responsible, then America should launch the bombs. It also grants the premise that chemical weapons are worse than conventional weapons, drone attacks, bombs, depleted uranium munitions, and other things that many countries (including the U.S.) use. Finally, it agrees with the pro-war faction that punishment and deterrence are effective in stopping future crimes against humanity.

Focusing on who used the gas also obscures the larger context. It turns a complicated problem with numerous historical, cultural, economic, and political interests into a narrow and simplistic game of “Who is the bad guy?” That game legitimizes the assumptions of the militaristic mind, even if the bad guy turns out to be the rebels, because the whole debate over who made the gas attack reinforces the narrative of “The purpose of military power is to stop these random outcroppings of evil that happen around the world, perpetrated by irredeemable bad guys who do it because they are just bad.” But that isn’t what is happening in Syria at all. Not to say that Al-Assad is a nice guy, but it is a complex set of circumstances that brings out the atrocious behavior on all sides — and in these circumstances, we in the West are playing a huge role. Focusing on the gas attack diverts attention from that.

What do you think about the rise and empowerment of Al-Qaeda in Syria which is funded, armed and supported by the United States and its Arab allies in the region? The United States government launched the project of War on Terror less than a decade ago in order to eradicate Al-Qaeda, but is now supporting it overtly both militarily and financially. Isn’t this approach somehow hypocritical and duplicitous?

Certainly, but let’s look deeper. Some critics of Obama in the U.S. do use the argument your question suggests by saying, “If we support these Al-Qaeda affiliated rebels, they will turn against U.S. interests after they gain power.” This argument takes for granted (1) that if only they weren’t affiliated with Al-Qaeda, it is OK to arm and aid rebels against other governments — but what would we think if Iran were doing the same to anti-government rebels in the U.S.? (2) That the main consideration in this matter is “U.S. interests.” Well, what are U.S. interests? Most Americans have no clue what that is supposed to mean beyond an infantile good guy/ bad guy narrative.

Of course, when you look into what it really means in practice, usually it is U.S. corporate interests. It comes down to economic power. For example, in the case of Syria there is the issue of who controls natural gas pipelines into Europe: the United States, or Russia. So behind the whole debate is an unexamined narrative of geopolitics as some kind of big chess game in which the interests of the great powers are fundamentally opposed. It is a narrative of contending nation-states. Until that narrative changes, we are always going to have situations like Syria. I don’t want to sound naive here, but what about the “universal brotherhood of man?”

I think many leaders, though not so much in the United States, are starting to see it this way. The Russians and Chinese, for example, are according to some observers more worried about the destabilizing effects of a U.S. war in Syria than they are about contending for their narrow interests. It is not that they are being altruistic; they are merely recognizing that in a tightly interconnected world, the good of one is the good of all. The United States needs to learn that too; for example, to learn that there is always blowback; that what we do to the world we do to ourselves. This is a new paradigm that echoes the awakening of ecological consciousness. As we do to the world, we do to ourselves.

There has been video footage of the atrocities of the foreign-backed mercenaries and rebels in Syria who mercilessly kill the civilians and even sometimes take out their body organs and eat them. Some independent observers have noted that the operations of the rebels in Syria constitute war crimes and crimes against humanity. If this is the case, then why haven’t the international organizations, like the Security Council, taken any action to condemn, stop or at least scrutinize these war crimes?

Probably because there has not been much political pressure or incentive to do so; usually governments profess outrage over “war crimes” when it serves their (self-perceived) political interest.

Usually the response to atrocities like these, on a gut emotional level, is to want to smash someone. We see the perpetrators as irredeemably evil monsters. Certainly, there are circumstances where people need to be stopped by force. But that reflexive response ignores the context for the atrocities. Are the problems of the world caused by bad people who need to be crushed? Or do people do bad things when they are in a certain situation? If it is the latter, then we can go around crushing the villains for another thousand years and nothing will change. The subtext behind atrocity reports is, “see, they are horrible. Now we know whom to crush.” Absent, then, is any consideration of the social, economic, and cultural factors that generate conflict.

And usually these factors implicate the very people who are making the judgments of evil. In the case of Syria, for example, we are ignoring the role of neoliberal “reforms” in causing hardship and discontent.

The U.S.-Russian agreement on September 14 that sets a framework for the declaration and elimination of Syria’s chemical weapons is a positive and constructive step forward. But again, it lacks the essence of impartiality and justice. If Syria should not have any chemical weapons, the same should apply to Israel, which is said to possess large stockpiles of chemical and nuclear weapons. Israel, however, is immune to inspection and investigation because it is a U.S. ally. Isn’t this an unjust and biased mechanism that leads to the exercising of double standards?

This has always been obvious to leftists, but I think it is becoming increasingly obvious to the world that the United States usually applies international law only to other countries, not itself or its protectorates. The U.S. has even used chemical weapons such as white phosphorus and Agent Orange itself. And certainly, everyone knows that Israel has nuclear weapons. “International law” is actually naked power in the guise of law.

I don’t think that this is because Americans are bad people. They have, for the most part, a nearly unshakable belief in their country as the unquestionable champion of freedom and democracy that can show the world how it’s done. Therefore, whatever America does is right by definition. At most, liberals might say that we sometimes make mistakes, but they rarely question the basic premise: America = Good. In other words, Americans and their politicians are caught up in a story. That story is falling apart, however, as the American social and economic fabric unravels, and on a deeper level, the validity of the nation-state as the primary unit of collective self-interest pales in the face of the ecological crisis.

The narratives of our political elites aren’t functioning as well as they used to. The fear of Al-Qaeda, for example, or of Islam, is much more superficial than the fear of communism during the Cold War. The reasons we Americans are given for striking Syria are not persuasive, because there is no compelling narrative on which to scaffold them.

I want to add here that America’s behavior is not exceptional in the history of empires. For centuries or millennia, it is the most powerful country that has made the rules and broken them at will. Here in this interview I sound highly critical of America, but really America is just playing a role created by the invisible narratives that have ruled our world.

Directing hatred at America is just as misguided as directing hatred at whoever launched the poison gas attack, because it ignores the larger context.

American leaders are trapped in a story as I have described, but that story is itself embedded in larger stories – you might even call them mythologies, about human nature and even the nature of reality. Ultimately, we will have peace on earth only when we are liberated from narratives such as: (1) The best way to be secure is to exercise as much control over others as possible; (2) Human beings are motivated primarily by self-interest; (3) The reason people do bad things is that they are bad people; (4) Competition is the driving force in nature, society, and among nations — what is good for the Other is bad for me; (5) Conflicts are a contest of right versus wrong, good versus evil.

Ultimately even these draw from Newtonian mechanics, Cartesian metaphysics, and genetic determinism, all of which are obsolete. These tell us, respectively, that change happens only through the application of force, that to exist is to be a separate self among other separate selves, and that nature consists of hostile competing with others. Just as the scientific foundation of these beliefs is changing, so also is the consciousness of the modern world. The ecological crisis in particular is compelling us to see that we are all connected, that we are all in this together. The Internet is also making it harder to insulate ourselves from the suffering and the humanity of those we had categorized in dehumanizing ways. I mention all this not to escape into philosophy, but to suggest that we may be at a turning point. We should think, “What kind of solution to the conflict draws from fundamentally new paradigms and possibilities?”

The public around the world is against any unilateral military intervention in Syria. It has been proved with massive demonstrations and public protests in different countries, especially in Europe and the United States. Is the public opposition to war against Syria going to have any impact on the decisions the politicians in the U.S. and Europe will make?

I hope so. If the American public had been in favor of a war, I doubt whether the Russian proposal would have stopped it. And if America’s European allies, particularly the British, had been enthusiastic about it, again I think it would have happened. Public opposition may not have a direct effect in the attenuated democracy we live in today, but it changes the climate in which these decisions are made.

The United States officials had categorically announced that they would be launching “limited” and “surgical” attacks on Syria, and even had set the timetable for it. But the Russian proposal ruffled feathers in Washington and held them back. Isn’t this retreat from the war rhetoric against Syria a diplomatic failure for the United States and its NATO and Arab allies?

I suppose in narrow terms it was a failure. But ultimately it would be to no one’s benefit to have launched a bombing. Not the United States’, not NATO, not even Israel. Perhaps instead of seeing it as a failure, we can say that the U.S. is taking its first step in adapting to an interconnected world.

Imagine a schoolyard bully beating up other kids with his gang. He is the king of the playground. But finally the other kids stop letting him dominate them, and even his gang doesn’t want to help him anymore. Is he worse off, really? He is if another bully emerges and dominates him – and maybe that’s what he’s most afraid of. But what if all the kids decide the age of bullying is over?

That is where the world needs to go. It isn’t that a new imperial power will emerge to supplant the United States. We have to promote a radically different conception of national interest, one that isn’t about domination. As it stands today, the notion of “U.S. interests” is toxic. Certainly, America’s domination of the world financial system and the natural resources of other countries enables its citizens to live a comparatively affluent lifestyle, to enjoy a high per-capita GDP, but under closer scrutiny one finds that it isn’t actually making us very happy. Not only do at least half live in constant financial insecurity due to the polarization of wealth, but even among the affluent, even among the famous one percent, life is devoid of community, purpose, meaning, and so on. Just look at suicide rates, depression, anxiety, mental illness. It’s a fools game. I think that as long as we accept, uncritically, terms like “national interest” and concepts like GDP, we risk validating the conceptual basis of war.

What’s your prediction for the future of the civil war and crisis in Syria? Of course the ongoing violence and bloodshed will continue if the foreign forces maintain their illegal presence in Syria. How is it possible to change the situation in favor of the people of Syria who have been deprived of peace and tranquility for almost 3 years now?

I don’t have a prediction, but I would like to hold out the possibility for something extraordinary to happen in Syria, something that could serve as inspiration and example to other regions of conflict. What if the world decides to make Syria an experimental nursery of peace? What if all nations support nonviolence, starting with an immediate ceasefire? What if the Syrian government is compelled to allow 20,000 peacekeepers into the country from all nations, armed with cameras and not guns? What if all concerned parties agreed to let go of their assumptions about the other side and held peace and reconciliation committees like South Africa? What if religious leaders declared Syria a peace zone? After all, Islam is supposed to be a religion of peace, as is Christianity.

In case such suggestions sound naive, let us remember that it would have been equally naive to assume that South Africa wouldn’t explode into a racial bloodbath post-Apartheid or, to take a hackneyed example, that the Berlin Wall would fall practically overnight without a fight. In a way they are naive or unrealistic – but anything radically precedent-breaking is unrealistic in the beginning. The failure of the United States to start another imperialistic war could mark a turning point in which the usual assumptions about what is realistic become inoperative.

Anyway, we certainly need to move past, “Which side should we support?” and “What is in our national interest?” and the framing of America and its “adversaries.” We need to move past seeing the world in terms of good guys and bad guys. Even turning those categories on their head, as many American leftists do when they name the U.S. and Israel as the bad guys still preserves the basic thought form behind nearly all wars. So, yes, pursue a negotiated peace as a first step, but let’s work on the foundation of peace too on every level.

Kourosh Ziabari

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What is ayahuasca made of and what is considered a microdose? Explore insights with an experienced Peruvian brewmaster and learn more about this practice.

 

Ayahuasca Makes Neuron Babies in Your Brain
Researchers from Beckley/Sant Pau Research Program have shared the latest findings in their study on the effects of ayahuasca on neurogenesis.

 

The Fatimiya Sufi Order and Ayahuasca
In this interview, the founder of the Fatimiya Sufi Order,  N. Wahid Azal, discusses the history and uses of plant medicines in Islamic and pre-Islamic mystery schools.

 

Consideration Ayahuasca for Treatment of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
Research indicates that ayahuasca mimics mechanisms of currently accepted treatments for PTSD. In order to understand the implications of ayahuasca treatment, we need to understand how PTSD develops.

 

Brainwaves on Ayahuasca: A Waking Dream State
In a study researchers shared discoveries showing ingredients found in Ayahuasca impact the brainwaves causing a “waking dream” state.

 

Cannabis and Ayahuasca: Mixing Entheogenic Plants
Cannabis and Ayahuasca: most people believe they shouldn’t be mixed. Read this personal experience peppered with thoughts from a pro cannabis Peruvian Shaman.

 

Ayahuasca Retreat 101: Everything You Need to Know to Brave the Brew
Ayahuasca has been known to be a powerful medicinal substance for millennia. However, until recently, it was only found in the jungle. Word of its deeply healing and cleansing properties has begun to spread across the world as many modern, Western individuals are seeking spiritual, mental, emotional, and physical well-being. More ayahuasca retreat centers are emerging in the Amazon and worldwide to meet the demand.

 

Ayahuasca Helps with Grief
A new study published in psychopharmacology found that ayahuasca helped those suffering from the loss of a loved one up to a year after treatment.

 

Ayahuasca Benefits: Clinical Improvements for Six Months
Ayahuasca benefits can last six months according to studies. Read here to learn about the clinical improvements from drinking the brew.

 

Ayahuasca Culture: Indigenous, Western, And The Future
Ayahuasca has been use for generations in the Amazon. With the rise of retreats and the brew leaving the rainforest how is ayahuasca culture changing?

 

Ayahuasca Guide: Effects, Common Uses, Safety
The Amazonian brew, Ayahuasca has a long history and wide use. Read our guide to learn all about the tea from its beginnings up to modern-day interest.

 

Ayahuasca and the Godhead: An Interview with Wahid Azal of the Fatimiya Sufi Order
Wahid Azal, a Sufi mystic of The Fatimiya Sufi Order and an Islamic scholar, talks about entheogens, Sufism, mythology, and metaphysics.

 

Ayahuasca and the Feminine: Women’s Roles, Healing, Retreats, and More
Ayahuasca is lovingly called “grandmother” or “mother” by many. Just how feminine is the brew? Read to learn all about women and ayahuasca.

What Is the Standard of Care for Ketamine Treatments?
Ketamine therapy is on the rise in light of its powerful results for treatment-resistant depression. But, what is the current standard of care for ketamine? Read to find out.

What Is Dissociation and How Does Ketamine Create It?
Dissociation can take on multiple forms. So, what is dissociation like and how does ketamine create it? Read to find out.

Having Sex on Ketamine: Getting Physical on a Dissociative
Curious about what it could feel like to have sex on a dissociate? Find out all the answers in our guide to sex on ketamine.

Special K: The Party Drug
Special K refers to Ketamine when used recreationally. Learn the trends as well as safety information around this substance.

Kitty Flipping: When Ketamine and Molly Meet
What is it, what does it feel like, and how long does it last? Read to explore the mechanics of kitty flipping.

Ketamine vs. Esketamine: 3 Important Differences Explained
Ketamine and esketamine are used to treat depression. But what’s the difference between them? Read to learn which one is right for you: ketamine vs. esketamine.

Guide to Ketamine Treatments: Understanding the New Approach
Ketamine is becoming more popular as more people are seeing its benefits. Is ketamine a fit? Read our guide for all you need to know about ketamine treatments.

Ketamine Treatment for Eating Disorders
Ketamine is becoming a promising treatment for various mental health conditions. Read to learn how individuals can use ketamine treatment for eating disorders.

Ketamine Resources, Studies, and Trusted Information
Curious to learn more about ketamine? This guide includes comprehensive ketamine resources containing books, studies and more.

Ketamine Guide: Effects, Common Uses, Safety
Our ultimate guide to ketamine has everything you need to know about this “dissociative anesthetic” and how it is being studied for depression treatment.

Ketamine for Depression: A Mental Health Breakthrough
While antidepressants work for some, many others find no relief. Read to learn about the therapeutic uses of ketamine for depression.

Ketamine for Addiction: Treatments Offering Hope
New treatments are offering hope to individuals suffering from addiction diseases. Read to learn how ketamine for addiction is providing breakthrough results.

Microdosing Ketamine & Common Dosages Explained
Microdosing, though imperceivable, is showing to have many health benefits–here is everything you want to know about microdosing ketamine.

How to Ease a Ketamine Comedown
Knowing what to expect when you come down from ketamine can help integrate the experience to gain as much value as possible.

How to Store Ketamine: Best Practices
Learn the best ways how to store ketamine, including the proper temperature and conditions to maximize how long ketamine lasts when stored.

How To Buy Ketamine: Is There Legal Ketamine Online?
Learn exactly where it’s legal to buy ketamine, and if it’s possible to purchase legal ketamine on the internet.

How Long Does Ketamine Stay in Your System?
How long does ketamine stay in your system? Are there lasting effects on your body? Read to discover the answers!

How Ketamine is Made: Everything You Need to Know
Ever wonder how to make Ketamine? Read our guide to learn everything you need to know about the procedures of how Ketamine is made.

Colorado on Ketamine: First Responders Waiver Programs
Fallout continues after Elijah McClain. Despite opposing recommendations from some city council, Colorado State Health panel recommends the continued use of ketamine by medics for those demonstrating “excited delirium” or “extreme agitation”.

Types of Ketamine: Learn the Differences & Uses for Each
Learn about the different types of ketamine and what they are used for—and what type might be right for you. Read now to find out!

Kitty Flipping: When Ketamine and Molly Meet
What is it, what does it feel like, and how long does it last? Read to explore the mechanics of kitty flipping.

MDMA & Ecstasy Guide: Effects, Common Uses, Safety
Our ultimate guide to MDMA has everything you want to know about Ecstasy from how it was developed in 1912 to why it’s being studied today.

How To Get the Most out of Taking MDMA as a Couple
Taking MDMA as a couple can lead to exciting experiences. Read here to learn how to get the most of of this love drug in your relationship.

Common MDMA Dosage & Microdosing Explained
Microdosing, though imperceivable, is showing to have many health benefits–here is everything you want to know about microdosing MDMA.

Having Sex on MDMA: What You Need to Know
MDMA is known as the love drug… Read our guide to learn all about sex on MDMA and why it is beginning to makes its way into couple’s therapy.

How MDMA is Made: Common Procedures Explained
Ever wonder how to make MDMA? Read our guide to learn everything you need to know about the procedures of how MDMA is made.

Hippie Flipping: When Shrooms and Molly Meet
What is it, what does it feel like, and how long does it last? Explore the mechanics of hippie flipping and how to safely experiment.

How Cocaine is Made: Common Procedures Explained
Ever wonder how to make cocaine? Read our guide to learn everything you need to know about the procedures of how cocaine is made.

A Christmas Sweater with Santa and Cocaine
This week, Walmart came under fire for a “Let it Snow” Christmas sweater depicting Santa with lines of cocaine. Columbia is not merry about it.

Ultimate Cocaine Guide: Effects, Common Uses, Safety
This guide covers what you need to know about Cocaine, including common effects and uses, legality, safety precautions and top trends today.

NEWS: An FDA-Approved Cocaine Nasal Spray
The FDA approved a cocaine nasal spray called Numbrino, which has raised suspicions that the pharmaceutical company, Lannett Company Inc., paid off the FDA..

The Ultimate Guide to Cannabis Bioavailability
What is bioavailability and how can it affect the overall efficacy of a psychedelic substance? Read to learn more.

Cannabis Research Explains Sociability Behaviors
New research by Dr. Giovanni Marsicano shows social behavioral changes occur as a result of less energy available to the neurons. Read here to learn more.

The Cannabis Shaman
If recreational and medical use of marijuana is becoming accepted, can the spiritual use as well? Experiential journalist Rak Razam interviews Hamilton Souther, founder of the 420 Cannabis Shamanism movement…

Cannabis Guide: Effects, Common Uses, Safety
Our ultimate guide to Cannabis has everything you want to know about this popular substances that has psychedelic properties.

Cannabis and Ayahuasca: Mixing Entheogenic Plants
Cannabis and Ayahuasca: most people believe they shouldn’t be mixed. Read this personal experience peppered with thoughts from a procannabis Peruvian Shaman.

CBD-Rich Cannabis Versus Single-Molecule CBD
A ground-breaking study has documented the superior therapeutic properties of whole plant Cannabis extract as compared to synthetic cannabidiol (CBD), challenging the medical-industrial complex’s notion that “crude” botanical preparations are less effective than single-molecule compounds.

Cannabis Has Always Been a Medicine
Modern science has already confirmed the efficacy of cannabis for most uses described in the ancient medical texts, but prohibitionists still claim that medical cannabis is “just a ruse.”

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