Reverend Billy and his wife Savitri D. talk about the Rev's campaign to be NYC's mayor. They discuss the drawbacks of entering the political sphere, but explain the necessity of running against Bloomberg, who the Rev describes as "consumerism in human form."

In this video, Jonathan Talat Philips, director of Evolver.net, talks to the Reverend Billy (aka Bill Talen) and his wife Savitri D. about the "revelatory experience" of "radical instability" that's created by visionary activism. His Church of Life After Shopping uses a singing, dancing choir to stage actions in "contested spaces" like Starbucks.