True that. While I enjoy the occassional movie, I have to say that unless the person watching it is aware of all the different themes that can connect to a universal consciousness there's no way this movie is going to help anything other than people's panic level increasing. I feel like this is being blown up like Y2K, except instead of nothing happening, something will. Good article.

'I can't say I'm looking forward to the spectacle of advertising and media frenzy that is going to surround these releases.'

 I don't watch tv or see newspapers, or even hear the gossip, and I live in the middle of nowhere, so I won't see it.

But personally, I'm glad to see this subject aired, in whatever form.

I suppose 2012 and the concept of personal or global change is to dangerous an idea to be left un-molested. I can see it now Al Gore and a gang of highly evolved 'cgi' polar bears set out to save the planet from destruction by billions of mindless 'eaters' ( to use Kissingers term ). They are ambushed by 'evil criminal' The Dali Lama and almost buried under billions of tons of carbon, when the Pope and some 'friendly' Catholic aliens turn up to rescue them or something like that........does not really bear ( no pun intended ) thinking about.

" When lies pay better than truth, expect lies."

                            Anon.

Does anyone know when the next scheduled date of apocalyptic meltdown is after the Mayan End Date? If the world doesn't end in four and a half years I'd like to cash in on the next round of mindless profiteering oriented towards people's inherent interest in seeing the world come to a horrible crashing halt. The image of a fly in a zapper comes to mind... 

OMG! I should have guessed it. Why won't anyone really professional moving picture artist produce a flick concerning this issue? Maybe because it is sacred theme and should not be molested beforehand...I don't want to see or hear anything from these near-future-summer-blockbusters. It would be really nice if Hollywood sunk to the sea at 2012.

 

transforming this dream called reality.

It's hard not to be cynical about this, and I'm not sure what I really think of it. One hand, it's potentially opening up the idea for the global audience, but on the other its very likely going to pervert the whole thing and possibly even disarm the psychedelic/Mayan/2012 movement further by cheapening it into entertainment.

I don't really think that this whole fascination is new. Even Indiana Jones mentioned Mayans and centered around Mesoamerica and the contact of "the Other." Even in I am Legend, which occurs in 2012, I could see archtype parallels here and there. Then again, Terrence McKenna talked about increasing the devotion of the existant base of peoples, not horizontal expansion...

We'll all be original and upset about it soon!!! jk

But seriously---whose gonna beat the recenty Indy flick?! John C? No way. 

Adam Elenbaas

..and yes a lot of the mysticism surrounding 2012 will be substituted with comedy and drama. Even so, there will be references to solar energy/ radiation melting ice on earth, causing a global panic. Like ST Frequency wrote, the budget is huge. They are shooting it mostly against blue screen in Vancouver and employing somewhere around 10 special effects houses. Roland has said it will be "the disaster movie to end all disaster movies." Danny Glover plays the President. Cusack plays a mediocre author who tries to rekindle his broken relationship with his family while searching for "arks"--vessels which will hopefully save the human race in the coming waterworld. These arks will also house the most precious creations of humanity. I asked Roland about the day following 12/21/2012 and whether a new enlightenment will occur in the following days. That element of the Mayan lore is omitted and, according to Mr. Emmerich, the event is not as extreme as was initially expected. Yep yep!

Joshie2020: "2012 will be substituted with comedy..."

doesn't sound too bad! ;)

"Blockbusters" like these make some sort of sense. It seems to me that everything would be "touched by 2012", from Hollywood to higher ground, things becoming increasingly connected, increasingly absurd, increasingly profound etc.

As Wade Davis puts it, films/movies are about "writing with light the dreams of the human spirit" - so I'm not surprised to see millions of dollars and so much sensationalism brought to this topic via the "big screen".

On the other hand, a lot of other 2012ish movies, things seen on youtube etc, have a certain kind of sensationalism - what they lack in budget, perhaps they make up in frenzy.

Or, these films could look nice and quaint, in years to come.

 

(notice this Black Hole opens on December 21...)

Would be nice to see some small, subtle films on the subject though.

I like to think the apocalyptic myths that these films desseminate will help a large mass of people wake up and set intention to ensure extinctive catastrophes will NOT occur.  

Like when we read/see characters almost waking up to a new consciousness, appearing schizophrenic and thinking the answers are somewhere down the barrel of their pistol. Oops! This is a myth that does not reflect any kind of typical situation. Enlightenment does not often (ever?) lead one to take one's life, but being aware of this archetype we explorers are forewarned to turn away from the dark choices and toward the light.

remember Thriller? it has zombies dancing like Munchkins on the yello-goldbrick road, whats-his-name(Michael Jackson) is out on a date. The Back-Too-the-Futcha jalopy zooms by.

THE END DATE.

HOLLYWOOD......starsgate.

 

hey, i lived in hollywood back in the mid 80's on the corner of Fairfax and Sunset Blvd., in an old hollywood building.I would sit at the window lookin out on hollywood hills and Sunset and at night the street walkers would cry out to the cars under my window "honey, honey" and i would type prose and poetry and think about my days as a teenger walkin on Sunset, "A thousand people in the street, singing songs and carrying signs"

I just snuck into a theater last night and watched a third of Iron Man and all of Indiana Jones. Boy were those real mind-treats...the kind where they open up your skull and coat your brain with alcoholic vomit. If these 2012 movies are even nearly as clever as those two genius works I'm sure to laugh at all the wrong times as well as at the people in the audience laughing at all the right times.

Oh, and why are these 2012 movies too chicken shit to release their movies in December of 2012? Maybe because they think that something drastic might actually happen and it wouldn't matter if they made and spent millions of dollars at that time anyway.

Who here hopes that instead of an apocalypse we get a nice little mental awakening...something subtle yet poignant would do just fine. Perhaps people realizing that if they can pool the efforts of enough people to earn millions of dollars for some mindless mental middle-finger that they can earn enough money to end world hunger and build a renewable energy grid something like the GENI project would do the trick.

The World Game Institute did some studies to see what the people of the world wanted/needed to live a happy, healthy life and how much it would cost to provide that. In 1994 they came up with the figure of $252 billion. Mere chump change compared to what the world was spending on weaponry, which averaged out at around $1 trillion. ...eh, I turned 2012 into a discussion about better answers.

self-imposed gorilla ontologist

You all rock. It is so nice to have these open discussions. Really. At USC, I was taught that, above all, American movies are entertainment. In the US, the idea of nationalistic cinema doesn't really exist in the way other, smaller countries depend on the cinema to craft for them a cultural and/or political point of view. Blockbusters are so successful because they afford people the opportunity to escape from their lives and worries and problems in order to just sit back and enjoy the story being told. Although I am proud to be a USC alumni, I am not a filmmaker that simply gives the people what they want. I believe the moving image is the most powerful form of communication since it can be the most provocative art form and reach the widest audience. I feel an obligation, especially in today's times, to challenge viewers to evaluate both story and imagery. That combination is what makes films great. But the irony of all this is that 2012 the movie is in fact a blockbuster and people will see it to escape from reality and yet the reality they are escaping from might in fact be very real! It is also odd to me that we now have the technology which allows us to see what the "apocalypse" may look like, and yet we are reluctant to actually take the steps to prepare for it properly. Is it avoidance? Bread and circus? Really, it is just one powerful filmmaker who wrote a script based on an idea he liked and wanted to make into a movie. I believe Mr. Pinchbeck has also found success in this regard being such an accomplished writer. If anything, it is up to all of us to have thought-provoking conversations and find out how our voice will help reify this subject from all angles. This is a delicate subject, but more exposure can only help us prepare.

There was a time during my stint as a revolutionary "performance artist" in the L.A. Underground (whatever the hell that means), that I decided I wanted to take over Hollywood. My intention manifested in the form of moving into the house closest to the Hollywood sign with those white letters outside my bedroom window as some kind of emblematic curse. My veggie oil Mercedes then exploded, my ovarian cysts popped partly from the stress of not being able to pay rent, I didn't have time to write a single poem due to the hustle, and I was left stranded at the top of that hill where I'd sit, crippled on my patio with this cursed sign above my head. I felt like I had landed in a bad movie set and that my life was a movie, the Hollywood dream inversed into a waking nightmare. It was then that the patriarchy died inside of me, and I decided that Hollywood (if it doesn't go underwater when the glaciers melt which would be awesome), needs to be taken over from the bottom up so that its loathsome narcissistic veil may be violently ripped off once and for all.

Like the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans of old, Hollywood is a collapsed civilization that saw its climax in the 40s and 50s. Anyone who knows anything about the entertainment industry also knows that Los Angeles can only be ruled from the top- down. Aha! an added layer of complexity. Hollywood needs an artistic dictator that wants to destroy the entertrainment machine from the inside out, from the top down and from the bottom up.

That's when the fairies told me that my dreams of being a science-fiction rockstar would indeed come true, and that I would organize an entourage of like-minded performers to blow an alien-shaped hole through the zombie masses of audiences in nightclubs. I am staging an interactive shamaniacal smorgasborgasm of performance art rituals to carrier waves of music and participation of audience members encouraged to regress and become children to do fun and ungodly things in 2012 (after having earned my flame in Europe where people might be intelligent enough to realize that I perform in trance). Film in Hollywood has turned into the ultimate mind-control for American citizens. It takes something live and in-person to really shake people's brains up, something so extreme and so intense as to penetrate their desensitized frontal lobes into some modicum of free-thinking.

If you think about it, Hollywood is like a giant gas chamber, gassing out the imagination and child-like sense of wonder that might encourage anyone to become a filmmaker, a musician, a painter, etc. So it needs some Art Nazis and fake authority figures to tell people to disobey the entertrainment machine in all its soulless guises! The unfortunate thing about most human beings is that they need permission to do anything. And to give people permission, well, you need to be on top. Stay tuned for the punkrockapocalypse tour of The Bad Babysitter Project that is out to suck Hollywood security's blood in 2012!!! There IS a WAY OUT!!!!!

Do you people think that all this new "media" exposure is some form of subconscious energetic release by (American) society? 200 million dollars is a lot of money to spend on a story, ya know? Is The United States of America actually doing the most to awaken a global subconscious via...television and movies and...media? Hey, it is the theme of Burning Man this year! (never been btw) Sometimes when I discuss the topic of 2012 with people they compare it with Y2k or other frivolous theories. Y2k was created by the media though, right? As someone who understands the power of images, I actually fear that maybe this crafted exposure of apocalyptic events will catalyze people's insecurities about global strife and create fierce nationalism. Maybe the space-time continuum works with the knowledge-power relationship...and 2012 is just the collision point.

back in the day the late 60's plus we had R.Crumb comics, to keep us sane, there was one character called Mr. Natural, and Mister Natural upon being asked..."what does it all mean?"...answered..."It don't mean shit!" but on a more serious note, let me ask you this, why do my Levis that i just bought a month ago, already have little frayed holes forming in the pant leg? well i see those little frayed openings in the movies that are being cranked out now, the stuff around the openings is so thick with greed, with bad script writing, with goofy plots, with thrills and spills and adrenaline rush, that all those folks that live in the Hollywood sign must be snorting that white powder with high denomination Euro bills. but seriously, as the wave collapses so do the next really bad movie. but, remember Mister Natural, and keep asking, "what does 2012 movie mean?"

 

This saturday I was the least bit interested in going out to party, for once. The noise, music, and screams of drunken joyousness wasn't even enough to get me to go out. For the first time in years, I wanted to go to Blockbuster. Walking to Blockbuster, it was if the party world was mocking me. There was a line around the block at Element for a Fetish party. I walked past and felt humbled to see the nearly naked cyber goth chicks pinching pvc sporting "bears". Still, I was determined to not get distracted. I just wanted to spend one simple saturday, watching films. I made it to the storefront and alas, in front of me was a film entitled, "2012: Doomsday". I thought as if this film was mocking me as well. I walked in to check it out, remembering that I had seen this post on the Hollywood Apocalypse. When I returned home, I read the film summary. "On December 21, 2012 four strangers on a journey of FAITH are drawn to an ancient temple in the heart of Mexico. For the Mayans it is the last recorded day. For NASA scientists it is a cataclysmic polar shift. For the rest of us, it is Doomsday."Wow. Okay so I watched this film. Little did I know it was produced by a company known as Faith Films. I should have known better. It was one of the most craptastical flicks I have ever seen. I didn't know if it was the poor CGI, the consistently annoying proclamations of faith while dying, or the horrible acting that made me unable to even to stick it out through the end. Apparently, scientists go to the Mayan temple and find that there is a Jesus cross made of gold. A scientist takes it from the temple and the whole doomsday begins. The rivers run hot and kill the fish, volcanoes erupt, the whole shabang. So the world keeps on ending until the faith based scientists decide that the only way to save the world is by bringing Jesus' cross back to the Mayan temple. Sounds interesting? I think the people who had this film produced had the right idea, in a sense that "Doomsday" can be prevented by a little faith. I just thought it was a bit shocking to watch scientist shove a cross in an ancient Mayan temple to make Doomsday end. Not to mention it was shocking to see what horrible job these people did in creating this piece of rubbish. It makes me wonder what kind of crap Hollywood is going to come out with in the meantime. Made me wish I had actually gone out! Mer.

Maybe we should send the word out to lightworkers to boycott these films and send groups of clowns to picket the movie lines on premiere day. Really- the creeps who make these movies don't deserve our money- even if it's in the vein of "I want to see how bad this stuff is-" 'cause capitalistically speaking, it just feeds the monster. Some producer sees all the dough that was generated over 2012 Doomsday or whatever, and they seek to replicate aspects of the movie for future films. People need to take a stand and just not watch this trash if they really don't want to see stuff like this in theatres. Better to botch up the Terminator or some dumb romantic comedy/tragedy than support the complete desecration of one of the most advanced civilizations that ever lived.

A little research will show that the great or "mega" fires took place after the movies promulgated the vision of them. We bring forth what we gaze upon. It isn't as though the sophisticated don't know about this, either. It is evident that the power elites know very well this is a real thing.

We fan the flames of idiocy or wisdom. Thanks to people like Rupert Murdock and the Newhouses, local papers are no longer local, they are the playthings of elitists and monopolists playing with public opinion and culturing a "new consciousness" everyday in every possible way.

http://nottheoregonian.blogspot.com/2007/05/si-newhouse-iv-buys-blazers-...

Every community with a culture of independence has been targeted and effectively squelched. Housing markets manipulated, bonds and futures and every manner of free media taken aim upon. While so-called "empty oilwells" spontaneously refill, they stoke the fire of concern about the need for oil due to "dwindling supplies" or promulgate a myth of alcohol-engines and displace farm-acreage from producing food to aiding engines. They aid thereby a revolution through starvation. But that's what they are prepared for. It is their forgone conclusion.

Circumstances of natural disaster and even small order reactionism or public protest taken as justification of commercial entities promising "greater security" and implacment of police-state tactics. New buildings looking like bunkers. Cops with training similar to that given to Marines and Rangers and equipment to match....in even the small towns! Directed to the Nation, not to foreign nations. Who's our 'enemy'?

What are they readying for? one may reasonably wonder. Stoke the fires, make the People show their hands! Put 'em in the vise, and when they complain, or react, bring out the hoses, pepper spray, SWAT, and put 'em in jail! Suspend habeus corpus. National Security! Hooya!

Take over the local culture. Encourage the upper middle class to move in and displace the poor. Encourage 'infill', destroy neighborhood solidarity, put in the people with a will to gain the A-list status, buy out the old, bring in the new! The phrase 'new world order' should be minimized and made to seem like a "crazy" phrase by nut-jobs while in fact being our motto. Easy to do when you control the media.

Stoke the fear boys! Stoke it up. We'll have it all soon enough. Just control the little b****rds. Tuck it to them! What are they gonna do? "protest"? Hyuck hyuch, like that's gonna help! Hell with a community police, who might actually believe in the security of the People, we'll bring in the really cruel types. Rent-a-cops, like Blackwater, and others, who have no concept of pride in Constitution or Rule of Law. We'll even take over the Supreme Court, and make Immenent Domain a rationalization for putting not just Native Americans in reservations, but the middle-class. We'll get our slaves back. Hooya!

=========== Letter writing is still the most potent way to raise the consciousness of elected representatives: it's a record they cannot ignore and cannot say they were unaw

I'm interested to see if this movie actually makes it past the conceptual stages and into theaters. Although very interesting that hollywood would take such a picture on, I am uncertian if it will benefit or distort the collective consciousness.The Quickining...2012

Yeah, it's going to be made. 200 million dollar budget. Yikes.